Saturday, November 7, 2015

A Comparison of Great teams Sets (APBA, Replay, Strat-O-Matic)

First the teams:


Strat-O-Matic Oldtimers Teams

1. 1905 New York Giants

2. 1906 Chicago Cubs

3. 1909 Detroit Tigers

4. 1909 Pittsburgh Pirates

5. 1911 Philadelphia A's

6. 1919 Chicago White Sox

7. 1920 Cleveland Indians

8. 1921 New York Yankees

9. 1922 New York Giants

10. 1922 St. Louis Browns

11. 1924 Washington Senators

12. 1927 New York Yankees

13. 1927 Pittsburgh Pirates

14. 1929 Chicago Cubs

15. 1931 Philadelphia A's

16. 1933 New York Giants

17. 1934 Detroit Tigers

18. 1934 St. Louis Cardinals

19. 1935 Chicago Cubs

20. 1936 New York Yankees

21. 1940 Cincinnati Reds

22. 1941 Brooklyn Dodgers

23. 1941 New York Yankees

24. 1946 Boston Red Sox

25. 1946 St. Louis Cardinals

26. 1948 Cleveland Indians

27. 1950 New York Yankees

28. 1950 Philadelphia Phillies

29. 1953 Brooklyn Dodgers

30. 1954 Cleveland Indians

31. 1954 New York Giants

32. 1947 Milwaukee Braves

33. 1960 Pittsburgh Pirates

34. 1961 New York Yankees

35. 1961 Cincinnati Reds

36. 1961 Detroit Tigers

37. 1962 New York Mets

38. 1962 San Francisco Giants

39. 1965 Los Angeles Dodgers

40. 1965 Minnesota Twins

41. 1967 Boston Red Sox

42. 1967 St. Louis Cardinals

Note: As far as I can tell, the choices for the 6 1900-1910 teams and 8 1920-30 Series B teams were in large part based upon voting in Strat-O-Matic Review polls.

Thoughts: Biggest gap was between 1911 and 1919 - 8 years. The deadball era is really under represented with SOM. Some tough choices = the 1929-30-31 A's were all excellent but only the 31 A's did not win the series. Some consider the 1929 A's a top 5 team all time. Likewise, the 1936-37-38-39 Yankees all won the series, some consider the 1939 Yankees another top 5 team all time, but the 36 Yankees were chosen. Cardinals teams in 42, 43, 44 and 46 all  made the series, SOM chose 1946. The Brooklyn Dodgers 1953 and 1955 is a great debate. A great hitting team in 1953 but missing Newcombe and not winning the series was chosen over 1955 - the only Brooklyn team to win a series and of course Newcombe was back from MS. And lord, the Yankees in the 50s, with 8 pennants and 6 world championships, hard to choose. I like the 1950 team a lot but also 1953 and 1956 are very strong candidates. Nothing from 1951. a great historical baseball year, and a lot of famous world series are represented but not 1956 where you had a perfect game. A curious choice was the 1962 Mets, the 1966 Orioles or 1968 Tigers would have been a much better choice. I think the 1964 Cards stand up very well to the 1967 Cards. And the 63-65-66 Dodgers are have something to prop them up, even the 1962 Dodgers were a fine choice.

Notable teams I would have considered: 1903 Pilgrims (Red Sox) and Pirates - first world series, 1906 White Sox, 1908 Cubs (last world champ), 1912 Giants and Red Sox, 1914 Braves, 1915 Phillies, 1916 Red Sox (Babe Ruth 23-12 1.75 ERA), 1917 White Sox, 1919 Reds, 1926 Cards, 1929 A's, 1932 Yankees, 1933 Senators, 1939 Yankees, 1940 Tigers, 1942 Cards, 1942 Dodgers (2nd place with .675 win %), 1944 Browns and Cards, 1945 Tigers and Cubs, 1948 Braves and Red Sox, 1951 Yankees, Dodgers and Giants, 1953 Yankees, 1955 Dodgers, 1956 Dodgers and Yankees, 1959 White Sox, 1960 Yankees., 1962 Dodgers, 1966 Orioles, 1968 Tigers.

In 1981, Strat-O-Matic released 36 "Past Season" Teams from 1962-1976, originally 60% of their original size and trivia buffs will  note this was the first ever perforated sheet production by SOM. Again a poll in the Strat-O-Matic Review was very instrumental in choosing the teams

Strat-O-Matic Past Season Teams

1. 1962 New York Yankees

2. 1962 Los Angeles Angels

3. 1962 Los Angeles Dodgers

4. 1963 New York Yankees

5. 1963 Los Angeles Dodgers

6. 1964 St. Louis Cardinals

7. 1964 Philadelphia Phillies

8. 1964 Cincinnati Reds

9. 1964 New York Yankees

10. 1964 Chicago White Sox

11. 1965 San Francisco Giants

12. 1965 Cleveland Indians

13. 1966 Baltimore Orioles

14. 1966 Los Angeles Dodgers

15. 1966 Pittsburgh Pirates

16. 1967 Chicago White Sox

17. 1968 Detroit Tigers

18. 1968 St. Louis Cardinals

19. 1969 New York Mets

20. 1969 Atlanta Braves

21. 1969 Chicago Cubs

22. 1969 Montreal Expos

23. 1969 Baltimore Orioles

24. 1969 Minnesota twins

25. 1969 Seattle Pilots

26. 1970 Baltimore Orioles

27. 1970 Cincinnati Reds

28. 1971 Pittsburgh Pirates

29. 1971 Baltimore Orioles

30. 1972 Oakland A's

31. 1972 Houston Astros

32. 1973 New York Mets

33. 1974 Los Angeles Dodgers

34. 1974 Texas Rangers

35. 1975 Boston Red Sox

36. 1976 Kansas City Royals
 
I once had broken down the 36 teams into all categories, NL and NL, World Champs, Pennant winners, also rans etc. ... and have seen the exact wording and phrasing used on many ebay items featuring t his set. Too funny.

 
Thoughts: Interesting they included 3 consecutive Orioles teams (1969, 1970, 1971) of which only one was a World Champion but only included the 1972 A's of the 3 straight A's World Champions in 1972-1973-1974, not to mention 1971 which might have been their best team in that era. They did not include the 1975 Reds, nor the 1976 Reds, Yankees or Phillies. The 1965 Indians, a 5th place team,  were included probably just for Sam McDowell (17-11, 2.18 ERA, 325 K) but although the 1962 Angels were included, the 1964 Angels, a 5th place team, with Cy Young Award winner Dean Chance (20-9, 1.65 ERA) was not. The 1969 Pilots and Expos expansion teams were included but not the 1969 Royals and Padres expansion teams. Notable teams I would have considered: 1962 Reds, 1963 Cards, 1964 Orioles, 1964 Giants, 1965 Reds, 1966 Giants, 1967 Twins, 1967 Tigers, 1969 A's, 1971 A's, 1971 Giants, 1971 Cardinals, 1971 Tigers, 1972 Pirates, 1972 Cubs, 1972 Tigers, 1973 A's, 1973 Orioles, 1973 Reds, 1974 A's, 1975 Reds, 1976 Yankees, 1976 Reds, 1976 Phillies.
 
 
APBA GREAT TEAMS OF THE PAST (original version)
1906 Chicago Cubs
1906 Chicago White Sox
1909 Detroit Tigers
1909 Pittsburgh Pirates
1911 New York Giants
1911 Philadelphia A's
1914 Boston Braves
1915 Boston Red Sox
1915 Philadelphia Phillies
1917 Chicago White Sox
1919 Cincinnati Reds
1920 Brooklyn Dodgers
1920 Cleveland Indians
1922 New York Giants
1922 St. Louis Browns
1924 Washington Senators
1926 St. Louis Cardinals
1927 New York Yankees
1927 Pittsburgh Pirates
1929 Chicago Cubs
1931 Philadelphia A's
1933 New York Giants
1934 Detroit Tigers
1934 St. Louis Cardinals
1935 Chicago Cubs
1937 New York Giants
1937 New York Yankees
1940 Cincinnati Reds
1940 Detroit Tigers
1941 Brooklyn Dodgers
1944 St. Louis Browns
1946 Boston Red Sox
1948 Boston  Braves
1948 Cleveland Indians
1950 Philadelphia Phillies
1953 Brooklyn Dodgers
1953 New York Yankees
1954 Cleveland Indians
1954 New York Giants
1957 Milwaukee Braves
1959 Chicago White Sox
1960 Pittsburgh Pirates
1961 Cincinnati Reds
1961 New York Yankees
1962 San Francisco Giants
1963 Los Angeles Dodgers
1965 Minnesota Twins
1966 Baltimore Orioles
1967 Boston Red Sox
1967 St. Louis Cardinals
1968 Detroit Tigers
1969 Atlanta Braves
1969 New York Mets
1970 Baltimore Orioles
1970 Cincinnati Reds
1971 Pittsburgh Pirates
1972 Oakland A's
1974 Los Angeles Dodgers
1975 Boston Red Sox
 
 
 
 
 APBA WORLD SERIES CARD SET
1912 New York Giants
1912 Boston Red Sox
1921 New York Giants
1921 New York Yankees
1925 Washington Senators
1925 Pittsburgh Pirates
1930 Philadelphia A's
1930 St. Louis Cardinals
1942 New York Yankees
1942 St. Louis Cardinals
1952 Brooklyn Dodgers
1952 New York Yankees
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Replay Diamond Decades Sets
1. 1904 New York Highlanders
2. 1906 Chicago Cubs
3. 1908 Cleveland Indians
4. 1909 Detroit Tigers
5. 1909 Pittsburgh Pirates
6. 1911 Philadelphia A's

7. 1912 Boston Red Sox

8. 1912 New York Giants

9. 1912 Washington Senators

10. 1914 Boston Braves

11. 1914 Indianapolis (FL)

12. 1915 Chicago (FL)

13. 1915 Philadelphia Phillies

14. 1916 Brooklyn Robins

15. 1919 Chicago White Sox

16. 1919 Cincinnati Reds

17. 1920 Brooklyn Dodgers

18. 1920 Chicago White Sox

19. 1920 Cleveland Indians

20. 1921 New York Yankees

21. 1922 Hilldale (NL)

22. 1922 New York Giants

23. 1922 St. Louis Browns

24. 1923 Kansas City (NL)

25. 1924 Washington Senators

26. 1927 New York Yankees

27. 1927 Pittsburgh Pirates

28. 1929 Chicago Cubs

29. 1931 Philadelphia A's

30. 1934 Detroit Tigers

31. 1934 St. Louis Cardinals

32. 1939 Boston Red Sox

33. 1939 Cincinnati Reds

34. 1939 New York Yankees

35. 1940 Cincinnati Reds

36. 1940 Detroit Tigers

37. 1941 Brooklyn Dodgers

38. 1941 New York Yankees

39. 1942 St. Louis Cardinals

40. 1944 St. Louis Browns

41. 1945 Chicago Cubs

42. 1945 Washington Senators

43. 1946 Boston Red Sox

44. 1948 Boston Braves

45. 1948 Cleveland Indians

46. 1950 Philadelphia Phillies

47. 1953 New York Yankees

48. 1954 Cleveland Indians

49. 1954 New York Giants

50. 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers

51. 1957 Milwaukee Braves

52. 1959 Chicago White Sox

53. 1970 Baltimore Orioles

54. 1970 Minnesota Twins

55. 1971 Pittsburgh Pirates

56. 1971 San Francisco Giants

57. 1971 Detroit Tigers

58. 1973 New York Mets

59. 1974 Oakland A's

60. 1974 Los Angeles Dodgers

61. 1975 Cincinnati Reds

62. 1975 Boston Red Sox

63. 1977 Kansas City Royals

64. 1977 Philadelphia Phillies

65. 1978 New York Yankees

66. 1979 Pittsburgh Pirates

67. 1979 Montreal Expos

68. 1979 Baltimore Orioles

69. 1980 Kansas City Royals

70. 1980 Philadelphia Phillies

71. 1980 New York Yankees

72. 1981 Montreal Expos

73. 1982 Atlanta Braves

74. 1982 Milwaukee Brewers

75. 1983 Baltimore Orioles

76. 1983 Chicago White Sox

77. 1984 Chicago Cubs

78. 1984 Detroit Tigers

79. 1984 San Diego Padres

80. 1985 St. Louis Cardinals

81. 1986 Boston Red Sox

82. 1986 Houston Astros

83. 1986 California Angels

84. 1986 New York Mets

85. 1987 Minnesota Twins

86. 1988 Los Angeles Dodgers

87. 1988 Oakland A's

88. 1989 San Francisco Giants

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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